【專訪】全新專輯《1997》與倫敦現場實錄,雲端司機 aka 李權哲的魔幻與日常

最新專輯《1997》封面

剛結束熱鬧的金曲週末,不妨隨好青年將頻道切換回雲端司機 aka 李權哲的魔幻頻率。

李權哲 Jerry Li 是台灣當代極具才華的音樂製作人、樂手、詞曲創作者兼歌手,受 The Beatles 的音樂啟發,開始嘗試寫歌。從臥室出發,由滾石唱片代理,2017 年憑藉個人首張全創作專輯《醒著不醉》入圍第 29 屆金曲獎最佳新人獎,音樂風格融合了復古的搖滾、放克、藍調、靈魂樂與 R&B 等元素。

2018 年以虛擬化身「雲端司機 CLOUDRIVER」發表了《低成本專輯》,一人樂團形式展現出更加搖滾隨性、Lo-Fi、實驗性且帶有強烈幽默感與生活感的音樂美學。2021 年加入顏社,繼續以「雲端司機」名義發行 EP 《SUNNY AFTERNOON》,加入更多合成器的低頻,點起一根菸、開車兜風的舒適浪漫;渾然天成的自由敘事,同年底以第二張個人專輯《愛情一陣風》,榮獲第 33 屆金曲獎最佳專輯製作人獎以及第 13 屆金音創作獎最佳專輯獎,愛音樂是一輩子的事。

2023 年跨界影視,為台劇《人選之人—造浪者》片尾曲〈得意的一天 A no is a no〉編曲,拿下第 58 屆金鐘獎戲劇原創歌曲獎。此外,李權哲還身兼露波合唱團的樂手與製作人,跳脫框架注入多元樣貌。無論是以本名活動還是化身為雲端司機,他都以獨特的慵懶唱腔與優異的編曲、製作能力,不斷地展現新的可能性,在華語樂壇中獨樹一格。


《These Days》EP 封面

暌違五年,「雲端司機」再度上路,今年一月底發行 EP《These Days》,溫柔袒露初為人父的細緻與脆弱;六月初更帶著這份浪漫跨越洋流,站在倫敦 Troxy 的舞台上,在異地的空氣與觀眾來了一場最赤裸的音樂對決。6/17 隨即帶著全新專輯《1997》強勢回歸,專輯名稱剛好是他的出生年,收錄 9 首歌曲,與王昱辰(老王)共同製作,孵化精修了整整三年,再度將聽眾捲入他標誌性的黑樂律動與英倫迷幻中。

除了個人創作,身為製作人的他,今年同樣交出亮眼的幕後成績單。幫馬念先製作充滿都會雅痞的新作《櫻桃可樂的滋味》,更一手操刀今年第 37 屆金曲獎最佳新人陳嫺靜大放異彩的《如果每天都可以 happy happy 誰想要sad:)) – 一起去度假》,還有幫同樣入圍新人獎的 JOYCE 就以斯製作甜度爆表的三拍子純愛主打〈靠很近〉,成為幕後具代表性的金曲推手。


從台北錄音室的小鼓聲,到倫敦舞台的黑色地板,再到家務的洗碗與收衣。好青年有幸與雲端司機訪問,分享完整的問答實錄,看他如何用直覺的空耳打破假設,以及快閃英國的真實感覺與探險,聽聽他最赤裸的音樂偏執與生活拉扯:

▮ 你在新專輯《1997》丟出了非常多大膽的音樂假設,像是「Prince 在曼徹斯特出生長大」、「A Tribe Called Quest & The Neptunes 去製作披頭四的《Sgt. Pepper》」。這些瘋狂的英倫與黑樂大碰撞,是怎麼在你的腦海中成形的?這張專輯花了三年打磨,在「編曲和聲音處理」上,你和共同製作人老王(王昱辰)拉扯最久、最大的突破是什麼?

雲端司機:我覺得自己真正喜歡的東西會很自然的變成自己的一部分,而且在寫這些歌的時候我也沒有意識到這些脈絡從何而來,都是後來回想才發覺的。這些歌詞曲都寫得很快,花最久的時間都是在錄音/混音上面。這張專輯很多歌的鼓跟貝斯都是主角,只要他們的質地/聲音有些微改變整首歌的意思也會變(跳不起來)。就好比說在混音時最常被討論的就是小鼓,我總是覺得小鼓不夠大聲,不夠穿透,光是為了這些小鼓我與老王就幾乎花了一年半在錄音室混了超多版本。

陳嫺靜客串 MV

▮ 首波主打〈Sit Down n' Hesitate〉使用了極具東方神秘色彩的西塔琴(Sitar)搭配太空氛圍。可以和我們分享這首歌當初創作的靈感來源嗎?歌詞裡描繪在阿姆斯特丹街頭流轉的虛無畫面,是來自你真實的記憶,還是一場純粹的復古幻想?

雲端司機:〈Sit Down n' Hesitate〉這首歌其實沒有用到西塔琴,而是用了一種 Drone 式的印度樂器叫做 Tanpura 還有印度鼓 Tabla 在最後一段 Outro 堆疊進來,當然還有無數軌的合成器哈哈。這首歌詞其實也沒有任何的意思,完全是照著自己亂哼的 Guide Vocal 空耳填字出來的。不過也因為這樣有很多驚喜,像是裡面有一句我很喜歡的歌詞:「Finest in the Catalogue」。雖然不是很清楚其意圖跟含義,但是我認為他都表達了某一個時期的自己的氣氛。

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▮ 專輯中的〈Dr. Ricardo〉錄音室版是與 SMY 合作,但許多樂迷對你跟陳嫺靜在現場合作的版本也念念不忘,當初收錄時有過什麼取捨嗎?或者,你可以和我們介紹另一首你個人私心最推、希望大家特別細聽的專輯歌曲?

雲端司機:與 SMY 還有 Piers 一起寫 + 錄這首歌大約是在 2023 年某一天內就完成了。也沒想過要改版。是因為後來與陳嫺靜在香港有一場表演,當時她聽了這首歌就覺得可以一起在現場唱。

我個人覺得每首歌都有它們自己的世界與風格。不過我覺得〈Castaway〉這首歌自己蠻常聽的,很喜歡最後突然出現的 Synth Bass。



▮ 6 月 9 日你剛站在倫敦 Troxy 的大舞台上擔任落日飛車的演出嘉賓。第一次在英國演出,踏上舞台那一刻的身體感覺是什麼?台下的海外觀眾對於你音樂裡的 Funk 律動或中西方元素歌曲,又有什麼樣最直接的反應?

雲端司機:我一直都很喜歡倫敦,還記得十年前第一次去倫敦的時候就覺得走在大街上好像走在自己的地盤,哪裡的節奏跟路上帶電的感覺好像是自己身體莫名奇妙很熟悉的(雖然當時是第一次去,而後來又去了好多次)這次是第一次在這個熟悉的城市上台,還記得當時的燈光是某種慘白,照在舞台被刮花、佈滿線的黑色地板上會有某種反光,讓自己有自己在 1960 年代表演的錯覺。因為燈光都沒有變化,每一首歌演完的時候其實是非常赤裸的對決,若大家喜歡及是最直接的歡呼,好險第一首歌演完就馬上得到了這個反應⋯但若閃過一絲絲心虛或瑕疵,空氣似乎也會停了幾拍。我認為英國一直給我一種”直接”的感覺,不管是逛街時遇到的店員,或是人與人之間相處的細微末節,著讓我覺得與美國/台灣非常不一樣。


▮ 這次的倫敦行,除了站在 Troxy 舞台上演出,有沒有什麼私房的街頭奇遇、逛唱片行挖掘老唱片的收穫,或是這趟英倫的空氣,如何印證了你在台北寫《1997》時的音樂幻想?

雲端司機:這次幾乎是快閃倫敦,逛街的時間跟之前比很少,不過還是發現了一個在 Church Street 的 Alfies Antique Market,它是一棟非常奇幻的大樓,像是穿越不完的迷宮。


▮ 除了個人創作,你同時也常身兼製作人。近期你幫馬念先製作了新專輯,也和陳嫺靜有非常精彩的合作。這兩位音樂人的音樂質地完全不同:一位是充滿城市雅痞、復古浪漫的「馬哥」,另一位則是文字與流動感都極具當代實驗性的嫺靜。可以跟我們分享擔任這兩位音樂人製作人時的幕後故事嗎?面對兩位反差極大的創作人格,你通常是用什麼樣的「秘密配方」去挖掘並調配出屬於他們的音樂頻率?

雲端司機:與馬念先工作他就是會丟一個 Demo 給我,然後我就會自己在錄音室直接開始錄音(通常由鼓開始),等到幾乎整首歌的基本樂器錄完了我才會傳給他聽,雖然非常冒險,但他幾乎都是一聽就跟我說過關,在所有的環節他都非常信任我的決定,給我所有的自由跟主宰權,整張專輯的過程與合作可以說是一氣呵成。陳嫺靜的話是完全相反,我做什麼大小事她都會在旁邊 or 後面全程參與,做她的專輯整個過程就像是在進行一場需要屏氣凝神的手術,兩個戴眼鏡的人盯著手術台細細的拉著縫線的感覺。


▮ 你現在的身份非常多元:是創作歌手、製作人、露波合唱團樂手,同時又有「李權哲」與「雲端司機 CLOUDRIVER」兩個音樂人格。在 1 月底發行的《These Days》EP 裡你展現了初為人父、溫柔袒露脆弱的一面,但隨後的《1997》你又變回在地下俱樂部彈著狂暴吉他的雅痞浪子。在這些截然不同的身份(生活中的父親、音樂裡的浪子、幕後的製作人)之間切換,你會感到拉扯嗎?你如何平衡這些不同的人格?

雲端司機:我不覺得拉扯欸,只能說自己人在哪個甕就做哪個事哈哈。所有的事情裡面我覺得做家事最難平衡,有時候才剛錄完了自己覺得史上最屌的東西,轉個身就要收心去洗碗,收衣服,這個絕對最拉扯。


▮ 最後,可以和我們分享你最近私底下或開車時,都在聽什麼專輯或歌曲嗎?

雲端司機:因爲開長途車程時我會請老婆放歌(比較安全)實在是開啟我的世界與眼界。我非常推薦 Mariah Carey 〈Mine Again〉,林憶蓮〈傷痕〉,Mariah Carey〈Bye Bye〉,Britney Spears〈Mind Your Business〉。

收錄於 2008 年專輯《E=MC²》


《1997》專輯曲目 Tracklist:

01. Sit Down n’ Hesitate
02. Weird Fuzz XXX
03. Castaway
04. Serenade All Day
05. Premier
06. Slick Girls
07. Dr. Ricardo (feat. SMY)
08. Babysitting
09. Casio

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Just wrapped up a bustling Golden Melody Awards weekend? Let’s switch the channel back to the magical frequency of CLOUDRIVER aka Jerry Li.

Jerry Li is one of the most talented music producers, multi-instrumentalists, songwriters, and singers in Taiwan. Inspired by The Beatles, he began writing songs from his bedroom. Distributed by Rock Records, his 2017 debut fully self-created album Stay Sober earned him a nomination for Best New Artist at the 29th Golden Melody Awards. His musical style seamlessly blends vintage rock, funk, blues, soul, and R&B.

In 2018, adopting the virtual alter ego "CLOUDRIVER," he released Low Budget Album. This one-man band project showcased a more casual, lo-fi, experimental rock aesthetic infused with a strong sense of humor and daily life. Joining the label KAO!INC. in 2021, he continued under the moniker CLOUDRIVER to release the EP SUNNY AFTERNOON, introducing more low-frequency synthesizers—the cozy romance of lighting a cigarette and driving around. With his natural, freewheeling narrative style, his second solo album AI CHING (released at the end of that year) won Best Album Producer at the 33rd Golden Melody Awards and Best Album at the 13th Golden Indie Music Awards. For Jerry, loving music is a lifelong commitment.

In 2023, he crossed over into film and television, arranging the ending theme song 'A no is a no' for the Taiwanese drama Wave Makers and winning Best Original Song for a Drama Series at the 58th Golden Bell Awards. Beyond that, Jerry also plays instruments and acts as producer for The Loophole, constantly breaking boundaries to inject diverse textures into his music. Whether performing under his real name or transforming into CLOUDRIVER, he continues to push new possibilities with his signature lazy vocals and exceptional arranging and producing skills, carving out a completely unique lane in the Mandopop scene.

After a five-year hiatus, "CLOUDRIVER" is back on the road. At the end of this January, he released the EP These Days, tenderly exposing his nuance and vulnerability as a new father. In early June, he carried this romance across the ocean, stepping onto the stage at Troxy in London for a raw, naked musical showdown with foreign air and an unfamiliar audience. On June 17, he made a powerful return with his brand-new album 1997. Named after his birth year, the 9-track album was co-produced with Yuchain Wang and meticulously polished over three full years, once again drawing listeners into his signature black music grooves and British psychedelic vibes.

In addition to his personal creations, Jerry delivered a stellar track record behind the scenes as a producer this year. He produced Ma Nien-hsien’s urban-chic new album Cherry Cola Vibes, masterminded Chen Hsien-ching’s sensational project If we can be happy happy every day, who wants to be sad:)), which swept through the 37th Golden Melody Awards with a Best New Artist win, and also produced the ultra-sweet, triple-meter pure romance track "Close To You" for fellow Best New Artist nominee JOYCE. He has indisputably become one of the most representative hitmakers behind the Golden Melody generation.

From the snare drum hits in a Taipei studio, to the black wooden floors of a London stage, and back to the domestic chores of washing dishes and folding clothes, I had the privilege of interviewing CLOUDRIVER. Here is the full Q&A transcript, revealing how he breaks assumptions with intuitive phonetic writing, his genuine impressions of a flash trip to the UK, and his most naked musical obsession clashing with the pull of everyday life.

Q: You threw out some very bold musical hypotheses in this album, such as "What if Prince was born and raised in Manchester?" or "What if A Tribe Called Quest & The Neptunes produced The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper?" How did these wild collisions of Brit-rock and black music take shape in your mind? Having spent three years polishing this album, what was the longest struggle and the biggest breakthrough in "arrangement and sound engineering" between you and co-producer Yuchain Wang?

CLOUDRIVER: I feel that the things I truly love naturally become a part of me. When I was writing these songs, I wasn't consciously aware of where these influences were coming from; I only realized it later upon looking back. The songwriting and lyrics came together very quickly; the part that took the longest was the recording and mixing. In this album, the drums and bass are the main characters in many songs. If their texture or tone shifts even slightly, the whole meaning of the song changes (it loses its groove). For instance, during mixing, the snare drum was the most heavily debated topic. I always felt the snare wasn't loud or piercing enough. Just for those snare drums, Wang and I spent nearly a year and a half in the studio mixing countless versions.


Q: The lead single "Sit Down n' Hesitate" features a space-like atmosphere paired with what sounds like a sitar, giving it a very mystical Eastern color. Could you share the inspiration behind this song? The lyrics paint a picture of a hollow, drifting scene on the streets of Amsterdam. Does this stem from a real memory, or is it a piece of pure vintage fantasy?

CLOUDRIVER: "Sit Down n' Hesitate" actually didn't use a sitar. Instead, we used a drone-style Indian instrument called a Tanpura, along with the Indian drum Tabla, which layer into the final outro, along with countless synthesizer tracks, haha. The lyrics actually don’t have any specific meaning; they were filled in purely by copying my own gibberish from the guide vocal by ear. But because of that, there were a lot of surprises. For example, there’s a line I really love: "Finest in the Catalogue." Though the intent and meaning aren't entirely clear, I think it perfectly captures the vibe of who I was during that specific period.


Q: The studio version of "Dr. Ricardo" on the album is a collaboration with SMY, but many fans are still obsessed with the live version you did with Chen Hsien-ching. Were there any dilemmas or trade-offs when choosing which version to include? Alternatively, could you introduce another song from the album that is your personal favorite, the one you hope listeners will pay extra close attention to?

CLOUDRIVER: Writing and recording this song with SMY and Piers took about a single day back in 2023. I never really thought about changing it. It was only later, when Chen Hsien-ching and I had a show together in Hong Kong, that she heard the song and felt we could perform it together live.

Personally, I think every song has its own world and style. However, I find myself listening to "Castaway" quite often. I really love the synth bass that suddenly kicks in at the very end.


Q: On June 9, you stood on the massive stage at Troxy in London as a guest performer for Sunset Rollercoaster. Performing in the UK for the first time, what was the physical sensation the moment you stepped onto that stage? How did the overseas audience react to the funk grooves or the East-meets-West elements in your music?

CLOUDRIVER: I’ve always loved London. I remember my first time visiting ten years ago; walking down the main streets felt like walking in my own backyard. The rhythm of the city and the electric energy on the streets felt bizarrely familiar to my body, even though it was my very first time there, though I’ve been back many times since. This time was my first time performing in this familiar city. I still remember the lighting was this sort of stark, pale white. When it hit the scuffed, wire-laden black floor of the stage, it created a reflection that gave me the illusion of performing in the 1960s. Because the lights didn't change throughout, it felt like a very raw, naked showdown after every single song. If people liked it, the cheers were instant. Thankfully, I got that reaction right after the first song. But if a hint of insecurity or a flaw slipped through, the air felt like it froze for a few beats. I think the UK has always given me a very "direct" vibe, whether it's the shop clerks you encounter while browsing, or the subtle nuances of interpersonal interactions. It feels very different from America or Taiwan.


Q: Aside from performing on the Troxy stage, did this London trip bring any hidden street encounters, crate-digging finds at record stores, or ways in which the British air validated the musical fantasies you wrote back in Taipei for 1997?

CLOUDRIVER: This trip was pretty much a flash visit, so I had much less time to walk around compared to previous trips. However, I did discover Alfies Antique Market on Church Street. It’s a highly surreal building, almost like an endless maze you keep traveling through.


Q: Beyond your personal projects, you frequently work as a producer. Recently, you produced Ma Nien-hsien’s new album and also had a brilliant collaboration with Chen Hsien-ching. These two artists have entirely different musical textures: "Brother Ma" is all about urban-chic and retro romance, while Hsien-ching’s lyricism and flow are deeply experimental and contemporary. Can you share some behind-the-scenes stories from producing for them? Facing two drastically different creative personalities, what is your "secret formula" for uncovering and tuning into their unique musical frequencies?

CLOUDRIVER: Working with Ma Nien-hsien, he usually just throws a demo my way, and then I’ll head into the studio and start recording on my own (usually starting with the drums). Once almost all the basic instrumentation is tracked, I’ll send it to him to listen. Though it sounds risky, he almost always listens and tells me it’s good to go. He completely trusts my decisions across all stages, giving me total freedom and creative control. The process and collaboration for the whole album was incredibly seamless. With Chen Hsien-ching, it’s the exact opposite. No matter how big or small the task, she’s right there beside or behind me, participating the entire time. Making her album felt like performing a surgery that required you to hold your breath. It was like two people wearing glasses, staring down at the operating table, meticulously pulling at the sutures.


Q: You wear many hats right now: singer-songwriter, producer, member of The Loophole, while juggling two musical personas, “Jerry Li" and "CLOUDRIVER." In the These Days EP released at the end of January, you showed a tender, vulnerable side as a new father, but with 1997, you transformed right back into a bohemian dandy shredding a wild guitar in an underground club. Do you ever feel a pull or conflict when switching between these drastically different identities (a father in daily life, a rogue in music, a producer behind the scenes)? How do you balance these various personas?

CLOUDRIVER: I don’t really feel a pull. I guess you could say I just play the part depending on the vessel I'm in, haha. Out of everything, I find doing household chores the hardest to balance. Sometimes I’ll finish recording something that I think is the dopest track in history, but the moment I turn around, I have to snap out of it and go wash dishes or fold clothes. That is definitely where the real pull happens.


Q: Lastly, could you share what albums or songs you’ve been listening to lately in your private time or while driving?

CLOUDRIVER: Because I usually ask my wife to play music when we’re on long drives (it’s safer), it has truly opened up my world and horizons. I highly recommend Mariah Carey’s "Mine Again," Sandy Lam’s "Scars", Mariah Carey’s "Bye Bye," and Britney Spears’ "Mind Your Business."

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